Yep, American Honda is no help, and all they do not buy another Honda! Bought my CR-V new in 2014 same problems VehicleHistory.com How can I convince them to just cover the whole thing? shop and they replaced the timing chain. At the dealer, you may also discover other open recalls that your car qualifies for. I started noticing consumption. go away. It is recommended that you input your VIN. I have had the grinding/rattling noise sense 30,000 miles. ", the manufacturer has identified the issue and a way to fix it, recall-related repairs dont cost you anything for parts or labor. Cost $1930! low speed..turned out to be transmission torque converter problem which was Also, make sure the correct number of characters has been entered. Is this accurate and what would be I should have stated the timing chain issue differently. shit- went to my Brooklyn dealer - he said no take it to the dealer for a diagnostic." will do it again. How to deal this problem and make the timing chain replacement covered under the Second, there is no "regularly scheduled maintenance" for valves?? ridiculous, since Honda has known about this starter replaced now we see problem isnt the dam starter !!! Please refer to CarGurus Terms of Use. dollars of the 1800 bill. Some Honda vehicles received countermeasures one, two and three, while other vehicles received countermeasure four and some received countermeasure numbers four and five. the service department with you - from Honda's own mouth they know the part is miles. The Honda VTC actuator class action lawsuit was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California: Quackenbush, et al., v. American Honda Motor Company, Inc., et al. google search will show you this. so called reliability rating is a scam. Honda determined the pin in the VTC actuator could prematurely disengage from its seat and allow the vane to rattle in the housing. the Quick Lube. wasnt under warranty and the previous Honda will notify owners and instruct them to take their vehicle to a Honda or Acura dealer. Brought it back yesterday and Hopefully oil consumption drops. They say they will eat the cost of the parts. I have a 2014 cr-v with the cold start-cold temp rattle per honda service bulletin 16-012. It is noted however, I handed the TSB to service advisor and asked him to look it up. I told the manager if I cant speak to the owner I swear it started in the first year, but I haven't done much for it. Time to look for Same issues 2014 CRV rattling on every start up im buy it. I thought it was something sticking Anyone have this issue?? I fixed it . There are many posts indicating Huge relief! Think Im change. anybody. as soon as it got cold, the rattle started. Dealer says no fix is available. $1800 for the VTC and timing chain, etc replacement. Should I just go nuclear and head to the BBB and make a complaint? I have to take it back in this week to have an either fix this problem or offer written proof dealer won't return my calls. How much leeway do I give the dealership before negotiations are over. So far have only heard the grinding noise once since the recent replacement, mileage is at There is a class Have a safety problem? definitly not oil change issus. stopping the rattle after each service. The rattle will last only a few seconds because oil. This article refers to the '12 & '13 V and calls for VTC actuator replacement. Provided that your CR-V qualifies, its ridiculous that so many of you are I also have a 2013 Honda CRV that has LESS than 65k miles on it and the VTC Actuator I PURCHASED A BRAND NEW 2014 HONDA THIS less noisy and less time I'd say just a second now from 2 sec before and the noisy is reduced They did hear it and replaced the "failed VTC". Please refer to CarGurus Terms of Use. dealership and was slammed with an $1800 bill for She said the new Honda doesn't have that The dealer told me that VTC actuator is covered under warranty but the timing belt is not covered, though my vehicle is under 7 years and 70K miles warranty limit (for California) . years ago to fix it and it came back and then they wanted over $2,000 to try to fix it. The Honda service department stated the problem is identified in my maintenance record if it gets worse after my warranty expires. The average cost to replace one ranges from $580-$900 in parts and labor, with most of the total attributable to labor. The dealer told me that VTC actuator is covered under warranty but the timing belt is not I am very disappointed with Honda and will NEVER buy Its doing it again. I was really clear about the issue and stuck a note on Recalls may not affect every vehicle of the same year, make and model. from my IPhone. Today I had multiple sensors go off and immediately brought it in. We had a similar issue a year ago, went through a whole fight with getting it covered under Honda service departments Honda This is a record of safety issues for vehicles of this year, make, model and trim. pressure, blown enginenow we wait for the fight for the dealership to take responsibility and I also noted the grinding sound upon starting on cooler mornings. getting the runaround from misinformed people at Honda and their Dealers. issue, and is replacing free of charge (albeit under the CPO warranty), appreciate their the steering wheel saying don't start it unless a tech is there listening (if someone moves it solution. owners complain of excessively high oil consumption and dash and panel lights intermittently flashing when the actuator is going bad. chain for the vtc rattle noise only the actuator on the Honda Automobile Customer Service other honda dealers can't. VTC actuator problem. Except for about 50 miles a couple days ago, all driving is highway. still no pick up, all dash lights still wont replace my radio even though it was they said the grinding noise was never solved the problem and I just let it be but the startup. My 2013 CRV actuator rattle fix ( 105,700 miles )Crank engine 2 times ( don't let it start. I called has 76,000 on it. and did service based on that. Enter only one email address at a time. That stress occurs for just a few seconds, so it's likely we didn't even hear the I don't have a link, but I mine is at the dealer right now and I had the service advisor look it up Btw, got a VTC actuators fail I having the same issue. You can fix the honda rattle in about an hour with the spring start VTC repair kit. A faulty VTC actuator causes oil starvation at cold start. The VTC System relies on proper oil pressure and allows the VTC actuator to make continuous intake valve timing changes based on operating conditions. i called I stretched it ~15% to 35mm. was the cold MI winter. I had good luck with them. "sonicendeavor", go talk to your mechanic and you'll find that For additional recall assistance, click the Ask Dave by Hondabutton. coverage while the car sat at the dealership and gave us a similar excuse to not cover it - What interest, if any, does Honda have in beating their 'offer'? At the base of the windshield on the driver's side, On a sticker in the driver's side door jamb, On your insurance statement or proof-of-insurance card. Has only 24000 kilometres on it. this mean that they will fix this being that the part is and they dont take any action which is so I to have a 2014 CRV, 75K miles, making a VTC actuator racket on cold start. The VTC Actuator issue is endemic among CRVs and Accords dating back to the mid 2000s, a simple refusing to take ownership with the faulty part and continue to expect the consumer to pay IT IS A DEFECT IN THE VEHICLE THERE IS NO DENYING THAT. So why didn't they fix it when I reported it under warranty? Sad to see such a once reliable auto manufacturer with a known defect She noticed the rattle got worse in three to five years, but the plaintiff says she didn't take the vehicle to any mechanics. I said, Then why did Honda for "This quote is based off of the timing chain being stretched after the inspection. Questions about your Honda vehicle? Undecided on what I Illinois plaintiff Marissa Feeney went to a Honda dealer in 2019 and purchased a used 2014 CR-V with 93,974 miles on the odometer. I call BS!! grinding on start-up. I had the "rattle" upon cold start tranny.probably will loose about to replace chain and VTC this time to see if works. I had 22600 miles when this car one or twice..just turn the crank a tiny bit without ignition. labour for 1600+tax. link in a chain wears now the chain is longer so it's The 2014 CRV had 'rattle' noise during cold start about a year ago, contacting them. does not research or authenticate any of the Answers provided. that timing chain cover is leaking, repair cost over $700. cost with them. Whats interesting is that Ive talked to 12-14 CR-V owners whose cars have Very We traded our But you DO need to take it to an authorized dealer. Calling Honda is a guides replacement. Marty - disabled veteran US Army. then trapped in the VTC actuator and no noise whatsoever. AutoNation Honda in Memphis. I am outraged and will never buy another Honda. I will not buy another I have a 2014 Honda CRV. 2013 Honda CR-V timing chain and VTC Actuator (repair). They decided to call the honda tech support line and were told to replace guess We need to force a recall {insert raised fist emoji}! assured by Honda that the 2013 CRV did not have the same issue. needed chain replaced. Enter your zip code to locate your nearest dealer and schedule a service appointment online: If you searched by Year/Model, you will need to conduct a VIN search to determine whether your specific vehicle is affected. It sounds horrible each time. IM ANGRY! grinding upon starting. issue theyve known about for years. they checked and told timing chain is the issue immediately steers one to what the two failures have in common - oil. getting it in for repair. replacement. The mechanic said the actuator also needs to be replaced for it to work properly. Started out with the engine rattle at start up and progressed to dash lights randomly I drove a Toyota Camry and didn't have any major problems like this. As Honda Canada would not I i just took my 2013 CRV in to the dealership i purchased from today to once again try to get honda to pay for the VTC Actuator. Cant believe Honda seems to go out of their 100% sure Honda has a problem with this engine and need to do a recall on it. dealer. Kinda works. What You Should Do:Honda will notify owners and instruct them to take their vehicle to a Honda or Acura dealer. Waiting for a price but first estimate if Same problem, my CRV has 102K miles, just got fixed today (I feel lucky - they only charged and it's clear to see that Honda's poor engineering and lack of foresight to make a recall on this part has lead Learn about our recall process. amaerican cars - I'ld have to say there is doubt on the relaibility of the Honda - Associates of Applied Scien. Soniceendeavor, when I gave Honda the TSB they defective. Monday-Friday: 6am-5pm PT, (800) 999-1009 toll free Unfortunately Honda is not the same company it used to be. I even had the vtc changed when I bought a d again told me to go to the dealer for a The reason they told me why the timing chain is not covered under warranty is that I did not I told her that Id Yep Local dealership did the TSB st $1,200 Our mechanic could not find anything wrong until a recent trip when needs timing belt tensioner and yet another VTC actuator at at bill of $700. Honda. with 124,000km, there is a wirling and This car has seen almost all of its life as highway miles. It was 28F this morning. I said Honda is recalling certain model year 2012-2013 CR-V, Odyssey, and model year 2013 Acura RDX vehicles. We are asking for the dealer to give us repairs under warranty. CEO/Lead Technician. Sometimes only the manual transmission version is affected, or only those that were built after a certain date. the rattle at start up is normal for the 2014 CRV. warranty for coverage for this repair. My wife:s 2014 Honda CR-V CPO has the same Or if you have a little more time to plan, find out what services and amenities your local dealer offers. Does recommend replacing timing chain, guides, tensioner, VTC actuator and solenoid." does nothing but drain customers of money. Only made it sure I would do this again. They show the tip and the repair procedure of this issue. You can pull the spring out and hand streach it or find a longer one which is difficult. As would I. I only have 23000 miles on my :(. The cost to replace the 2013 Honda crv vtc actuator is between $870 and $140. chain that needs to be replaced. Im hearing it now on every start, yet they said somehow been the problem. The damages caused as a result of defective VTC which is indicated in abnormal oil Accords, yet they are still manufacturing this But eventually, parts like the piston ring wear from extra metal on metal contact and so the emission warranty ? weird. December 29, 2018 again: grinding noise, 50 degrees, 11:27pm the problem is outlined in technical service bulletin #16-012. contacting everyone and anyone who will listen. just bought a money pit vehicle. drained away from places in the engine where it needs to be. Schaumburg Honda was upfront about this being a known This must be some type of dealer goodwill because I just called Honda and they didn't add Honda determined the pin in the VTC actuator could prematurely disengage from its seat and allow the vane to rattle in the housing. https://honda-vtc-actuator-problems.com/ 5. THIS ONGOING VTC ACUATOR ISSUE WITH HONDA IS RIDICULOUS. I am done with Honda, they lost the credibility. I have 2014 CRV. contact Honda of America directly and see if they will help me with the repair cost due to all honda models. They said the Dealer told me today that my 2014 CRV 79,000 miles has a stretched timing chain that needs to be replaced. metal chain "streatch" and at 87k miles this would be less life than a belt - dealer information Honda collects is proprietary, and (77,000miles) for my daughter to December 29, 2018: grinding noise, 49 degrees, iPhone video of noise at start-up We just don't I had to pay out-of-pocket to fix my Honda vehicles VTC actuator. the actuator was replaced the first time, at the end of 2017 - actuator is replaced, the and I still have the problem. I called Honda for my 09 Accord. and that my car would be done at no charge. https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/SB-10088283-2280.pdf. The Honda class action lawsuit has been certified for the following customers and locations. dont take no for an answer. cam. My 2014 CRV has been rattling by since new on cold replacing the VTC actuator under the 8 year/80,000 mile emissions warranty. If the VIN is not working properly, check to see if letters and numbers have been accidentally mistyped or inverted. tranny with a low mileage scrap yard nothing was wrong since they didnt hear the noise. I called my local Honda Started making the actuator grinding noise December 6, 2017, at start in the morning, 57 going to take to Twitter, she hung up on me! I Honda was under warranty Now at 77.00 miles we have to go thru all this crap . Same thing, dealer been telling me since day one they are aware of the issue but no solution to the problem. While the VTC actuator solenoid may fail due to those same oil issues, it's not the cause of burning oil and the timing belt and tensioner need replacing again. but someone posting an uneducated guess on another forum. (timing chain and tensioner). She didnt call back as she said; she Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. They all looked puzzled when I played the sound back one year. With Honda oil and filter. due to faulty VTC actuator) and dealer's estimated cost to fix is $2500+. Honda's campaign recall numbers are S96, S97, and S98. Hondas again, will stick to reliable Toyotas.. Bought our daughter new 2014 Honda CRV from local dealer in 2014. If I hadn't been in a car accident in August, 2017 that totaled the car I'd still be driving my Causeway Honda in Manahawkin NJ for their free oil changes the mechanic compleatly Just had Seems too soon for this to happen. As such, these vehicles fail to conform to the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 114, "Theft Protection and Rollaway Prevention. She said that customers are When did Honda stop being known for quality and standing behind their vehicles? different radio before he even listened to it- year to help you gain confidence about one of your largest purchase decisions. matters- spoke to manager who gave me HOWEVER, if you park tensioner and pulley, just the same answer others got on this posting. I took it the dealer and after performing diagnosis they told me that the VTC The rattle will last only a few seconds because oil pressure builds up and cushions the assembly. Then the timing chain and camshaft has to be removed. Also on another point, Indy shops who know what they're doing can replace the actuator the way home from work, so I drove directly to never buy another Honda. I HAVE it would cost me $3,200 Canadian to repair. xm radio- Most automakers are proactive about recalls and voluntarily issue them, but sometimes NHTSA directs the automaker to do so. There is one exception to the fact that recall repairs are free vehicles older than 10 years old are outside the statute of limitation and usually dont qualify. Never had any issues owning same Civic for 13 years prior take these in before their warranty expires. If you have questions regarding a recall, you may contact Honda Automobile Customer Service or contact your local Honda dealer. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. disappointed in this car as well but its expensive to install another baseplate on a that service bulletins for the 2013 model were issued in 2015 - the 2013 CRV has the same engine as the Add your complaint here, about any vehicle. After recording it on my phone, they replaced it under warranty. Vehicle History's team of automotive experts brings you the most accurate and up-to-date used car information. Its like waiting for the other shoe to drop. They were no help at all. understand can contribute to both issues. I was going through 3 quarts of oil every oil My service advisor looked it up In the Honda system and immediately told Brillance Honda in Crystal Lake, IL said I Today they tell Hope it help. My 2013 Honda CRV is in the shop right now for replacement of, timing chain,tensioner rails,valve cover gasket, timing cover gasket as the chain was stretched at 78,000 miles,the warning signs was the appearance of check engine,traction and steering lights staying on on dashboard, I took it in right away. testing with maximum wait time of 30 plus hours, thanks. not stretching in a way you think. Plaintiff Marissa Feeney will represent an Illinois repair class of consumers who purchased new or used Honda vehicles equipped with VTC actuator 14310-R44-A01 from Illinois Honda dealers, and who paid to have their VTC actuators repaired by Illinois Honda dealers in Illinois. The contact owns a 2013 Honda CR-V. Earlbuss: my situation is identical to yours and Honda fully covered the cost of phew, glad I brought it in when I did! destroyed the access cover under the car didnt unscrew it just ripped it off ! the timing chain and VTC replacement. and the mechanic couldn't find anything and the rattle temporarily stopped. I took in in for service a couple of times otherwise, but from everything I've read, I really don't want to stick $1,900 into a vehicle for a Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. third times the charm. December 2017) on February 26, 2019 via the dealer, mileage just under 30,000. Yes OR we have mild winters. illustration that shows how oil starvation occurs due to the Might be best to to trade it in, the problem will likely keep coming back. I wrote American Honda stating that This problem does damage the engine. Not sure I will buy another Honda. Honda has issued Technical Service Bulletins acknowledging that the VTC actuator in these models is defective, however, it has not issued a recall. This helped but did not fix the problem. At about 55,000 miles, it's starting to rattle intermittently again and there's a slow oil leak from the cover that they did the labor on, but everything is outside of warranty now. Am I being ripped off? Also report it to www.nhtsa.gov or Honda will keep ignoring the timing chain, On 12/3/18 paid $1500 for chain, tensioner, actuator, etc covered, though my vehicle is under 7 years and 70K miles warranty limit (for California) . Told my chain was stretched and would need Your search results indicate that your vehicle may be affected by a recall. I think been well reported on various message boards that the warranty has been extended on Horrible. A $ 30,000 vehicle should not sound like the motor is going to fall out. My 2013 CRV has 84K miles and the VTC actuator needs to be replaced. I have had the timing chain, tensioner and guides replaced. This has been a nightmare. I told him I'm tired of doing this, doubt Ill do after owning 4 Hondas, Im thinking a Hyundai Tucson sounds Today is 3/29/2021 and car is at 138k. at start up after the replacement until March 8, 2019. My I called our Honda dealer (from whom we have bought every 20k? fix, BUT it was replaced 20k ago and now it does it again does it means i have to do this 2018. Honda should fix it for free. thing I think of is my oil pump, not the VTC Actuator or timing chain. I made such a stink over it Start by looking up the year, make and model of your vehicle on a site like KBB.com, but also be aware that a recall doesnt necessarily apply to every vehicle with the same year, make and model. The car is now burning oil and the oil changes had been masking it by Federal emissions warranty is 8 years/80,000 I was just told by their service department that it is common for Hondas to go through a quart of oil about every two weeks and it was up to me to check it often. disappointed in the quality! belt because it was stretched even though it only had 15,000 miles on it$100. Also, the VTC actuator issue can cause the timing chain to stretch I now turn the key all the way to start position I WILL GET AN ATTORNEY !! My wife's car goes back The VTC rattles because the pin that holds the actuator in Honda replaced actuator December 20, 2017. If you conducted your search by VIN, please take immediate action to have your vehicle repaired, as your safety may be at risk. They acted like this was the first time I have been advised after 86,000 that the timing chain stretched and that the VTC ( rattle) issue needs to be replaced. For those that need help fighting this, you can ignore 2014 CRV. Letting this kind of stuff out the door has never been Honda's way in the past. LIABILITY IS THEIRS TO OWN. years time. which were cover. Now just ridiculous, does it all the time even if you Asked by GuruLDRXX Mar 22, 2019 at 01:42 AM about the 2013 Honda CR-V. My 2013 Honda CRV just crossed 60,000 miles, started with engine rattling noise during cold start, and now got the check engine, steering and traction lights turned ON on the dashboard. sympathetic, spent over $4,000 on repairs in one visit; won't recommend or be buying told I bed yet another oil change each time I Owners may contact Honda at 1-800-999-1009. problems it was time to just cut the losses and move on. Living in Rhode Island, cold winters means I hear this rattle every morning. I have 2014 CRV. Year, Make and Model results will return general safety recall information that affect some vehicles within that population of vehicles, but may not affect YOUR vehicle. I plan on changing my oil pump and my oil at the Honda Service year to help you gain confidence about one of your largest purchase decisions. The chain is designed to last the life of the engine. We have been complaining since the car had 50,000 miles on it and now it has 97k. You tube shows a turn two clicks on starter for ten seconds - Then of - then on two click (battery only) for ten seconds again ( charging the fuek line) and then start car up. For additional recall assistance, click the Ask Dave by Honda button. You can try to access this page underhoodservice with the title Honda Accord and CR-V Rattle at Start up for your reference. started 15,000, now at 50,000 CR-V in shop for 3 days and same BS for